Product design requires considering lots of different things. How things look; how they work; how people will understand how to use them. Here’s one probably not on a lot of designers’ lists, though: the insect enticement factor. Maybe that needs to change, because as The Verge‘s Will Poor discovered, the way your gadgets are designed and made could have serious implications for what might decide to live inside them.

On this episode of The Vergecast, Will tells us about his post-vacation Sonos discovery, how he discovered he’s not the only person on the internet trying to get the ants out of his speakers, and what he ultimately learned about insects and electronics. Some of the wild conspiracy theories are just that – but some might be for real.

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After that, The Verge‘s Andru Marino joins the show to talk about the boom in AI-generated podcasts. Andru has spent weeks listening to the jovial NotebookLM bot-hosts talk about everything from news to recipes to esoteric gadget instructions, and has learned a lot about why this medium works so well for people. And what it takes for a human to make a good podcast.

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